Wednesday, April 23, 2025

Listening with the Third Ear….


 

I joined a gaggle co-teaching a resident seminar in psychotherapy a couple of weeks in the past.  It’s an
fascinating train mixing didactics and expertise.  The format is an hour of psychodynamic
centered didactics adopted by an hour-long dialogue of a transcript by
everybody in attendance together with residents and 4 college. That’s an
fascinating dialogue of the technical points of remedy in addition to
particular person variations in interpretation and intervention.

Right now’s session was about listening and the way listening in
remedy could also be completely different from what folks contemplate to be sometimes centered or
unfocused listening.  There was some
dialogue of the way you hearken to buddies versus strangers.  There was a secondary dialogue of the depth
of listening with a deal with unconscious determinants.  It led me to mirror on a few issues
in the course of the session.

The primary was focus. 
Very early in my dialogue with sufferers I used to be centered on what they
have been saying.  My focus was the identical focus
I might have with buddies or household although none of my sufferers would ever
enter that sphere. Folks knew that I used to be critical and took them severely.  As I thought of the best way I interacted with
folks over time – it was obvious that although sufferers are
technically not buddies inside a really brief interval, I might know extra about
them than I knew about most of my buddies. 
In some circumstances, I used to be extra apprehensive about them and spent extra time
worrying about them than I ever apprehensive about most of my buddies. The
distinction was within the relationship.  With
buddies there’s a mutual affiliation and expectation of assist.  Within the case of sufferers – the connection is
for the good thing about the affected person. Aside from fee, the gratification of doing good work,  and the occasional thanks
  the therapist ought to count on nothing
again from the affected person. 

The main target in each diagnostic interviews and psychotherapy
was meditative to me.  I felt extraordinarily
snug in that setting.  I seemed
ahead to seeing folks.  It was the
place in life the place I felt essentially the most snug. I used to be not notably
thinking about one downside in contrast with one other – simply listening to each distinctive
story.  Whenever you get to a sure level
in your profession you might be filled with confidence. 
You not have to fret about operating into a problem that you just don’t
know deal with. You already know that most individuals will go away your workplace feeling
higher than after they entered – even whether it is an preliminary analysis. 

Focus in a psychiatric interview is multifaceted.  It includes listening to each the content material of what
is being mentioned and whether or not it makes any sense. 
Do all the weather cling collectively in a cohesive image or not?  If not, the job is to instantly make clear
what is occurring.  That at all times leads me
again to consider an Otto Kernberg seminar that I attended 30 years in the past.  Kernberg described the method of
confrontation as precisely that – an oblique inquiry that might facilitate
bringing these seemingly disparate parts collectively.  An excessive instance that I steadily use is
from acute care settings.  In these
settings, my first job of the day was to interview individuals who had been
admitted on involuntary holds.  They have been
usually very offended to be hospitalized and demanded to be launched. Their
first phrases have been sometimes: “I need you to discharge me.  You haven’t any proper to carry me on this hospital
and I need to be discharged.”  The
actuality is that I had by no means seen the affected person earlier than.  I had nothing to do with how they got here into
the hospital or the truth that they have been on an involuntary maintain. Restating these
info to the affected person was the kind of confrontation Kernberg mentioned and it
most steadily led to a extra productive reality-based dialog.

The main target for me at all times has the weather of consideration,
testing what’s being mentioned in opposition to my inner data of actuality and doing
the identical with any emotional content material, and desirous about underlying theories for
what I’m seeing. At occasions I’ll explicitly ask the affected person for his or her theories
about what is occurring to them to see if they’ve any and in the event that they do whether or not
they’re believable.  It’s usually
necessary to strive to determine the which means of sure patterns of thought and
conduct together with desires fantasies, and different potential unconscious content material.

There may be additionally a spotlight of kindness towards the affected person.  The connection is considered one of beneficence.  It at all times jogs my memory of Jerry Wiener’s
feedback concerning the essence of psychotherapy “Be type and say one thing helpful
to the affected person.” Once I convey that up – many therapists bristle on the obvious
oversimplification.  Kindness does get
on to the purpose that the therapeutic relationship is completely different from the
affected person’s perspective in that they need to expertise the therapist as distinctive
relative to the widespread experiences of their life. Some therapists I’ve
encountered over time have talked about “actuality remedy” to imply that the
therapist ought to be reacting to what the affected person does identical to all people
else.  This misses one of many principal
benefits of psychotherapy as a chance to look at what is absolutely going
on in these different relationships and proper it if mandatory.        

I addition to attending to the first downside in classes
the therapist should even have a deal with the connection and empathic responses
to speak to the affected person that he had an enough understanding of the
psychological downside that the affected person is describing and what all the weather might
be.  The connection side might embody
the stimulus worth of the therapist and the way that varies with age, intercourse, bodily
look, and communication model.  To
cite age for instance – it is not uncommon for early profession psychiatrists simply out
of residency to be greeted with: “You’re too younger to be a psychiatrist.  I’ve by no means seen a psychiatrist as younger as
you might be”. These statements include various levels of enthusiasm and carry a number of
implications that may be explored.  On
the opposite finish of the spectrum I’ve not had anybody touch upon my superior age
immediately – however have heard feedback that some medical doctors are so outdated “they didn’t
know I used to be within the room.” 

Transference and countertransference are clearly related
right here however I need to stick with the main focus in interviews and classes.  Within the seminar at this time, a paleontology metaphor
was described about mining the completely different layers of the unconscious and
get there.  That means a variety of heavy
lifting to me. I see it as a way more dynamic scenario.  In any case – right here I’m extraordinarily snug
and listening to folks and enhancing their feedback for plausibility,
cognitive and emotional content material, defensive patterns, and their very own theories
about what could also be occurring to them. 
Collectively we’re defining what introduced them in to see me together with all
the related cultural, social, organic, and developmental components.  That is all unfolding within the context of a
specifically outlined relationship. 
All through that session I’m switching between listening mode and an
interventional mode that includes supportive, clarificatory, and interpretive
remarks.  That switching must be
dynamic, context based mostly, and isn’t the identical for any two sufferers.  There may be additionally the sensible or actual
relationship together with fee preparations, appointment occasions, name
directions, and emergency contact directions.

There’s a verify that should occur throughout or between
classes. Each therapist has to ask in the event that they actually perceive what this
affected person is saying and if the affected person is being helped.  That verify can happen as early as the primary
interview.  In some circumstances, the therapist
might contemplate the affected person’s downside to be exterior of their area of experience.
This may additionally occur after extended remedy the place the profit to the affected person
is unsure – however they need to proceed the remedy.

The title of this weblog publish refers to a well-known guide referred to as Listening
with the Third Ear
by psychoanalyst Theodor Reik. I bought the guide in
1986 on the advice of considered one of my psychotherapy supervisors.  The subtitle of the guide says all of it: “the
internal expertise of the psychoanalyst.”  Reik
was considered one of Freud’s first college students.  In
the chapter “The Third Ear” he describes attending to varied cues of the
unconscious lifetime of the affected person in addition to what might forestall the analyst from
perceiving them. He illustrates how the subjective response of the analysts to
the affected person could be a type of clues.

Reflecting on this essay up to now – the one dimension that
wants extra commentary is the non-linear nature of listening and the
interview course of. It’s simple to consider the method of a matrix depending on
centered consideration and a protracted sequence of questions.  That’s the format of a structured interview.
In lots of circumstances these interviews are algorithmic based mostly on hierarchies and
inclusion and exclusion standards.  In a
scientific and psychotherapy setting the main focus is extra on all points of the
presenting downside. What the affected person brings in to the session and the
continuity over a number of classes is extra of a precedence. Reik describes a
affected person who prompted him to really feel aggravated, two completely different sufferers strolling by a
mirror exterior his workplace and the way they react to the mirror, and the best way a
affected person checked out him as nicely and what that meant for his or her unconscious
life. 

In a subsequent chapter he goes on to explain how the
analyst should keep away from selective consideration to what they could need to hear and the way
they have to attend to the whole lot.  He
factors out that Freud used the time period gleichschweben  that has the connotation of equal
distribution
and revolving or circling (p. 157).  He suggests the phrases freely floating
and poised consideration.  He provides
Freud’s rationale for this sort of consideration as being two-fold.  First, it avoids exhaustion since it’s
inconceivable to take care of something for an hour. 
Secondly, it avoids biasing the interview or session towards a selected
intention or purpose.  The session in spite of everything is
directed at what the affected person is deciding is related.

As I revisited my method, this captures what I are inclined to do
in interviews and classes. Since I learn this guide practically 40 years in the past – I can’t
declare to have invented it.  I can add a
little to what Reik and Freud must say particularly in diagnostic
interviews.  It’s potential to include
free-floating consideration and transition to a extra structured interview as
mandatory. Most psychiatric practices as of late require that psychiatrists
seen anyplace from 2 to five new sufferers per day. 
Most of these sufferers is not going to be seen in both psychoanalysis or
psychodynamic psychotherapy. However most of these sufferers will profit from the
listening strategies and interventions that may be attributed to the early
analysts. Additionally it is potential so as to add a psychotherapy part to virtually each
affected person seen by a psychiatrist over time – even in comparatively transient appointments.
 

 

George Dawson, MD

 

References:

Reik T.  Listening
with the Third Ear. Farrar, Strauss, and Giroux. Toronto. 1948: 144-172.

 

Supplementary 1:  Each
Drs. Otto Kernberg and Jerry Wiener within the above essay are psychoanalysts with
in depth educating and publication expertise. They’re each medical
medical doctors.  I left the {qualifications} out
for the sake of brevity. I heard Dr. Wiener’s remarks at one of many Aspen
Psychotherapy Conferences organized by Jerald Kay, MD.   

Supplementary 2: In response to Reik, The
metaphor listening with the third ear was borrowed from Nietzsche –  Past Good and Evil, half VIII, p.246.  A partial excerpt follows:

“What a torture are books written in German to a reader who has a THIRD ear! How indignantly he stands beside the slowly turning swamp of sounds with out tune and rhythms with out dance, which Germans name a “guide”! And even the German who READS books! How lazily, how reluctantly, how badly he reads! What number of Germans know, and contemplate it compulsory to know, that there’s ART in each good sentence–art which have to be divined, if the sentence is to be understood! If there’s a misunderstanding about its TEMPO, as an example, the sentence itself is misunderstood!…”

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